tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10702621.post828192674875104313..comments2023-07-08T19:45:01.781-12:00Comments on Thinking The Lions: Goddammit Democrats keep this up and I will vote for Trump OUT OF SPITE.Brianehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01616494058636881575noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10702621.post-91125334197823729492016-12-14T07:25:22.584-12:002016-12-14T07:25:22.584-12:00Well, again, it's not that I don't agree w...Well, again, it's not that I don't agree with you...<br />but...<br />I don't really know what my "but" is. It has to do with looking at the data, though. And the data shows things like<br />9 out of 10 fake news stories during the campaign favored Trump (by being something fake in favor of him (like the thing with the Pope endorsing him) or being something negative about Clinton)<br />Trump supporters were much more likely to click through on and share fake news stories than liberals<br />Russia. Just so much about Russia I don't even know where to start.<br /><br />We're the puppets!Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10702621.post-14407908768546367502016-12-14T07:12:28.328-12:002016-12-14T07:12:28.328-12:00Sure, but consider this.
First, I've no idea ...Sure, but consider this.<br /><br />First, I've no idea how many minorities didn't vote because of Voter ID laws. I'll get into that some other day.<br /><br />Second, if 'fake news' kept Democrats from voting for Hillary!, why was that? Or the Russian email hack? If the emails released by Russia convinced people that it wasn't worth voting for Hillary, then while Russia meddled in our affairs, they did it by showing us that a candidate wasn't someone we should support. Put another way: releasing emails from a candidate can only remove support for that candidate if the emails are damaging. (And Hillary! put herself in that position by having a private server and through the horrible cybersecurity procedures she put in place.)<br /><br />But 'fake news' can't keep people from voting for Hillary! I can't imagine that there are liberals or moderates who didn't vote for Hillary! because of "Pizzagate," (the only fake news story that's come to light).<br /><br />So the problem remains that Democrats didn't vote, and aside from voter suppression, Democrats didn't vote because they didn't find their candidate to be someone worth voting for. Think about all the negative things that came out about Trump in the campaign -- and yet his supporters got out there and voted. Democrats cared less about Hillary! than Republicans did about Trump, which is a systemic problem in the Democratic party and not the fault of outsiders. But Democrats are determined to ignore that lesson (just as they ignored the lessons of the repeated failures to oust Walker here in Wisconsin), so we suffer for it. I'm sick of it. Maybe if things get bad enough -- maybe if health care really does disappear and the top 1% own 99% of everything and minimum wage laws get gutted and terrorist attacks on American soil restart, maybe THEN people will start caring and maybe THEN the Democrats will bother to put together a coherent system of economic packaging that doesn't kowtow to Wall Street and isn't identical in all respects to the GOP, and maybe then the Democrats will stop simply nominating the person whose turn it is. When they nominated Kerry and Hillary!, they lost. When they bucked the trend and nominated Obama and Bill Clinton, they won. There's lessons there, lessons that are harder to take than simply 'people click Facebook links', but the Democrats don't want to learn them.Brianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01616494058636881575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10702621.post-67827469278950615302016-12-14T06:09:29.226-12:002016-12-14T06:09:29.226-12:00While I agree with your "dems didn't vote...While I agree with your "dems didn't vote" assessment, I think there are a lot of reasons dems didn't vote.<br />Republicans made it very difficult for minorities to actually vote in some areas, for one thing.<br />But, also, I do think that the fake news bombardment and the Russian hacking played a part in suppressing Democrats voting. Which is not an excuse for the people who didn't vote, just part of the process that happened. I think people who didn't vote are just one notch higher on the rungs than people who voted for Trump.<br />And they certainly don't get to complain about it now. They lost that right when they didn't vote.Andrew Leonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13964775673414653644noreply@blogger.com